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This is apparently largely because of the success of a similar project where they put every episode of The Daily Show on-line a few months back. This action didn't hurt ratings, and it may have actually helped them. [+] internet, tv, suddenoutbreakofcommonsense, respectmyauthoritah, kickass (tagging beta) Related Stories [+] Viacom Puts the Daily Show Archive Online 153 comments tburton writes "Viacom has put the entire eight year run of the Daily Show with John Stewart online. The content is available from the official Daily Show site, and features clip rating, tags, and numerous community features. The whole thing is supported by relatively unobtrusive contextual ads. 'Viacom's decision to post its entire archive--while fighting YouTube in the courts--sets the scene for a battle between the established media players and their high profile entertainment brands against the user generated content sites, most notable YouTube. Also watching closely the Viacom experiment will be the telco IPTV industry which has seen the market place change rapidly as the quality of online video continues to improve, with at least one platform/site, Vimeo, already offering 1280X720 HD quality direct from the browser.'" Firehose:MTV takes on P2P by making South Park free by thefickler (1030556) This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted. MTV Takes on P2P by Making South Park Free More | Login The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way. Without JavaScript enabled, you might want to use the classic discussion system instead. If you login, you can remember this preference. MTV Takes on P2P by Making South Park Free 50 Comments More | Login / Full Abbreviated Hidden More | Login Please Log In to Continue Log In Nickname Password Public Terminal [ Create a new account ] Loading... please wait. too late (Score:5, Informative) by Azeroth48 (855550) on Saturday December 01, @11:31AM (#21544069) Homepage http://www.southparkzone.com/ [southparkzone.com] been there done that Oo Re: (Score:2, Informative) by rHBa (976986) Or here:http://www.mrtwig.net/ [mrtwig.net] It's never too late to advertise. (Score:3, Insightful) by twitter (104583) * Fresh news generates fresh interest and that's what this is about. Traditional broadcasters are having a hard time building new audiences because we've all gone to the greener pastures of the internet. Cable subscription rates will plummet if they don' Who the fuck cares? (Score:2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward About the fucking blog reporting the story? Link to the free episodes please. For fuck sakes editors. Did they consult their customers? (Score:5, Interesting) by Opportunist (166417) on Saturday December 01, @11:34AM (#21544085) No, don't be silly. Not the people watching TV.I was talking about the various networks around the globe that license Southpark, often first of all having to dub it. That this takes time is a given (it's gotten better in the past years, but it's still about a season difference, give or take).When I can watch a show online, why bother waiting for our networks to dub it? Yes, I "have to" watch it in English, but then again, usually that's the better version anyway. Anyone who has ever watched The Simpsons in German will agree.So, any response from the networks? I mean, I don't know about the Daily Show (never heard of it, actually, and possibly not as much an export as SP is), but a show like Southpark which is being licensed widely might cause some negative reaction from the networks licensing it. Re: (Score:3, Insightful) by garett_spencley (193892) When I can watch a show online, why bother waiting for our networks to dub it? Yes, I "have to" watch it in English, but then again, usually that's the better version anyway. Anyone who has ever watched The Simpsons in German will agree. Surely there are Ge Re: (Score:3, Interesting) by EvanED (569694) There are also subtitles, which very well may be being made anyway, for the deaf. Then you "just" need to translate them.A lot of people say original language + subtitles is better than dubbing, though I'm not sure I agree. Re: (Score:3, Insightful) by Scrameustache (459504) There are also subtitles, which very well may be being made anyway, for the deaf. Then you "just" need to translate them. A lot of people say original language + subtitles is better than dubbing, though I'm not sure I agree. That depends on the quality of the dubbing and on whether or not you mind reading your TV shows.Some people don't like to read, they would rather watch TV. Some people can't read fast enough to follow the rhythm of the spoken word, and some people can't r Re: (Score:3, Insightful) by Opportunist (166417) But say what you want, "Backstroke of the West" certainly improved the movie experience! Re: (Score:3, Interesting) by meringuoid (568297) A lot of people say original language + subtitles is better than dubbing, though I'm not sure I agree. Dubbing of foreign language shows is definitely the best! Believe it! (That... actually did hurt to write.) Re: (Score:2) by Opportunist (166417) Generally, everyone under the age of 40 had mandatory English classes during their school time. This means between 6 and 12 years of English courses. I'd say it's sufficient to follow an episode of SP. And the age range above 40 is hardly the target group f Re: (Score:3, Insightful) by Joe Tie. (567096) Because God forbid anyone actually be aware of a world outside their own town. That entire concept is just sad and a little scary. Of needing a third party to protect you from learning things. Re: (Score:2) by meringuoid (568297) Surely there are Germans who can't speak English that wouldn't agree ? Yes, there'll be plenty, but especially among the South Park target demographic the English language is widespread. Certainly enough for this service to have the potential to make a hu Re: (Score:3, Informative) by Ash-Fox (726320) Everybody in Germany speaks English. A vast large amount of people in Berlin do not speak English. I know this from personal experience of repeated visits there. I also know English isn't very prevalent elsewhere in Germany. Last time I was there, I travelle Re: (Score:2, Funny) by krazytekn0 (1069802) But see, as an American run enterprise MTV does not know this will happen since in America it is rare for someone to have a grasp on more than one language. DVD Sales (Score:5, Insightful) by Paralizer (792155) on Saturday December 01, @11:40AM (#21544133) As far as I know the Daily Show is not available on DVD, whereas South Park is. So if you wanted to watch the Daily Show and you didn't have Comedy Central, your only option was to pirate the episodes; making them available for free online made sense. But with South Park you can buy the DVDs, so making them available for free online would only hurt their DVD sales (unless of course the downloads are of very poor quality). Re:DVD Sales (Score:5, Funny) by Opportunist (166417) on Saturday December 01, @11:44AM (#21544165) Yeah, because the artistic quality of Southpark is a definite selling point. Watching that in YouTube quality would certainly hurt the show. Parent Re: (Score:2) by pla (258480) Yeah, because the artistic quality of Southpark is a definite selling point. Smoothly animated stop-motion cardboard cutouts (which IIRC, SP hasn't actually used since the second season) still beat low-framerate stop-motion cardboard cutouts with macrobl different market segments, tradeoffs. (Score:5, Insightful) by Vellmont (569020) on Saturday December 01, @12:49PM (#21544607) But with South Park you can buy the DVDs, so making them available for free online would only hurt their DVD salesI doubt it, or at best it would affect them only a little. People don't buy the DVDs because they haven't seen the show, those people will just rent it. The people who buy the DVD want to watch it over and over.The other thing is, the episodes are still going to contain ads. Ads which you can't easily skip over. Comedy Central is going to make direct profits from those ads. The people who buy DVDs buy them partially because they don't contain ads. Even if it does make a small dent in DVD sales, the profits from selling ads will likely make up for that. Parent torrents (Score:2, Interesting) by overcaffein8d (1101951) i hope they put them on (legal) torrents so they are just as easy to download. but more likely, they will just make it an embedded player, so we can't FF through the commercials. Re: (Score:2) by Dunbal (464142) Stream decrypted, saved to your hard- drive and commercials removed in 5, 4, 3...This is the internet, remember? Re: (Score:3, Informative) by Secrity (742221) The episodes are Flash, I didn't see any advertising, and you can randomly access any part of the video. I didn't try, but I suspect that the files can be downloaded. Incidentally... (Score:5, Insightful) by lpangelrob (714473) on Saturday December 01, @11:52AM (#21544219) ...if you were wondering why the Writers Guild of America are still on strike, this is why.No advertising, no residual payments... not fair? Re:Incidentally... (Score:4, Insightful) by krazytekn0 (1069802) on Saturday December 01, @11:59AM (#21544277) Well, isn't the issue that the companies ARE making advertising revenue from this, and that's what they tell their stock holders, but they are telling the writers that they aren't making anything so they don't need to be paid for online shows...I'm probably wrong but that's how I understand it Parent Re:Incidentally... (Score:5, Interesting) by ShieldW0lf (601553) on Saturday December 01, @12:08PM (#21544327) Journal Isn't it great? My girlfriend started downloading documentaries to make up for the lack, and we've learned about a whole host of different things. It's amazing how little you miss the crap they churn out.Did you hear the one about the crack dealer who went on strike? Where all his clients cleaned themselves up and the market disappeared?No, me neither. Guess crack dealers are smarter than the Writers Guild. Parent Re: (Score:2) by Vellmont (569020) No, me neither. Guess crack dealers are smarter than the Writers Guild. I guess you don't consider that the producers have a lot more to lose than the writers guild. The writers can always find some other medium to write for, or if worse comes to worse, be Re:Incidentally... (Score:5, Insightful) by SydShamino (547793) on Saturday December 01, @12:16PM (#21544379) I'm an engineer. It takes a lot of skill and creativity to make products work on first revision. Guess what? I don't get residuals for work I did last year, last month, or any time before my last paycheck. I don't need residuals to retire because I, you know, save money.Both of my parents were writers and editors at one point, for the newspaper industry. Neither of them got any residuals, either. I don't suppose you continue to write residual checks to the artists that designed your car, or your sofa, or you house, either?No advertising, no residual payments... not fair?Go on strike and get a better contract. The law allows you to do that. But in no way do most of the working world consider this "unfair" to the special subset of people who feel that they need to be paid for the rest of their life for one momentary spark years ago. And when the time comes around that we can finally change copyright back to 50 years, thereby cutting off residuals for thousands of older writers or their descendants, you won't find me or most other people on Slashdot complaining. Parent Re:Incidentally... (Score:5, Insightful) by langelgjm (860756) on Saturday December 01, @12:48PM (#21544597) But in no way do most of the working world consider this "unfair" to the special subset of people who feel that they need to be paid for the rest of their life for one momentary spark years ago. I think the issue is that, unlike you, writers aren't paid up front what the distributors believe their work to be worth. To avoid the risk of paying for scripts and shows that bomb, they pay only a small amount, then pay for further showings. That way, if a show does extremely well, the writer is rewarded, and if a show bombs, the distributor didn't waste a lot of money. A better analogy to your situation: imagine if you developed a product, but were only paid a small amount, and told that you would be paid well later on if the product sells well. Then, you find out that the distributor is selling your product but not holding up their end of the bargain by giving you payments. I dare say you wouldn't be as sanguine as you are now about the whole thing. Parent Re:Incidentally... (Score:5, Informative) by Sparks23 (412116) * on Saturday December 01, @01:14PM (#21544801) Add to that that, unlike engineers, newspaper reporters/editors, script-writers do not have steady work. Even within writing, a reporter (or an editor) knows that the paper keeps coming out, and thus they are still needed. Many times the reporter is paid a salary, or at least not paid some small per-article fee and told they will get more money if that issue of the paper sells well. And they certainly don't wonder 'will this paper be renewed for next season?' or whatever. They have more permanence to their job.Script-writers have a project to work on, then may go 6 months to a year without another project being available; since they do get paid so little to start with (as the parent post notes), many writers do rely on their residuals to still pay rent and so on. Unlike newspaper reporters and editors, they do not have a guaranteed job.A better example would be novel writers, I think; if you end up in a 2-3 year dry spell without another novel published, you darn well still want royalty payments on any copies of the last one that are still being sold! If you were a novelist and your publisher somehow decided to sell the book as an eBook and went 'oh, but we're not going to pay you for that,' there would be outcry, dismay and rage. (This is why novel/story rights get laid out pretty clearly in a given contract!) Parent Re: (Score:3, Informative) by laird (2705) The key issue is who owns the material. Usually in the writing world, the author is not an employee of the publisher, but indepently owns his own work, which he licenses to a publisher in return for the right to publish it, usually paid royalties based on Re:Incidentally... (Score:4, Insightful) by antiMStroll (664213) on Saturday December 01, @03:17PM (#21545841) You hit on what so many miss by not thinking past the limited context maintained by media cartels to the larger principles involved. At its base artists and writers feel entitled to a portion of any income that makes use of their works. Sounds reasonable but it begs the question, why just the arts? Truly important works, works which literally changed the face of society beyond recognition, have been created by scientists and engineers for generations. They are infinitely more important to society's health and yet most, Shockley for example, never see returns greater than the most forgettable and transitory media darling. Songwriters would scream blue murder if forced to pay back a percentage of their earnings to Intel, Logitech and Samsung for use of the engineering IP in creating their works yet see no conflict in chasing taxi companies and restaurants for playing a radio. Until they demand to reimburse society for taking from the common weal of sentence structures, forms of literature, words and phrases to lock into their 'IP', it's hypocritical opportunism and an unquestionable corruption of copyright's intent. Parent Re: (Score:3, Interesting) by kithrup (778358) Apples and oranges. First, South Park isn't a union show, so the WGA has no impact on it. (The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are, because Jon Stewart was in a superior negotiation position a few years ago, and that was one of his demands.) Second, if Cool (Score:2) by Cracked Pottery (947450) I think I go to Amazon and buy another couple of seasons. Daily Show (Score:5, Insightful) by RonnyJ (651856) on Saturday December 01, @11:57AM (#21544259) This is apparently largely because of the success of a similar project where they put every episode of The Daily Show on-line a few months back. This action didn't hurt ratings, and it may have actually helped them. Two weeks after all the past episodes were put online, The Daily Show had to shut down production due to the writers strike. I doubt those two weeks are really enough to make any solid conclusions from. It's strange though, I'd have expected ratings to drop considerably after that, considering there weren't any new episodes to air (or are the ratings referencing only those two weeks?) I'm sure that putting them online wouldn't noticably hurt ratings (or perhaps could even increase them), but I don't think that you can evidence much from those two weeks. Credit where credit is due (Score:2, Informative) by billcopc (196330) I think this is less about MTV and more about Trey Parker and Matt Stone. They've already expressed a pro-P2P stance, and considering the nature of their show, this move fits in quite nicely with their "libertarian" attitude. How does the WGA strike factor in? (Score:2) by Ignorant Aardvark (632408) I'm wondering how the WGA strike factors in. Matt Stone and Trey Parker are obviously two of the important writers on the show, and they stand to make residuals from DVD sales. But now, if all back episodes are available for free on the site, are they go Re: (Score:3, Informative) by dq5 studios (682179) South Park is a non-union, creator owned show. The WGA doesn't factor into it. Consequently MTV could not have done this without Matt & Trey's permission. SOXMAS.MPG (Score:2) by linebackn (131821) Wow, I have been downloading SouthPark since the days of SOXMAS.MPG. I regularly downloaded them until our cable provider at the time finally got Comedy Central. (SOXMAS.MPG, The Spirit of Christmas was a widely distributed copy of the original 5 minute Sou Of course it would help them. Did TV hurt them? (Score:5, Insightful) by Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) on Saturday December 01, @12:31PM (#21544467) Networks have been giving away their shows for free for years on TV. You just had to sit through the commercials. For years people could record the TV shows and do whatever they wanted with them... did this hurt the networks then? No.The only thing different now is they sell TV shows on DVD more than they ever sold TV series on VHS. This is mainly because of the storage capacity increases and size factor of the storage... but people watch those shows for free... and even go to the lengths of buying them on DVD. Thats a pretty dam good base of consumers to treat fairly, because they like your shows, and have already seen them for free for which they could easily record themselves... AND they still want to buy them.Giving away the shows for free online is not going to hurt them one bit. In a day with so many online distractions, so may cable tv stations... It is better to capture a wider audience anyway possible, rather than try to clamp down on consumers that would rather just go to youtube, or find something else to do. There are just too many options out there... and options have always been a good thing. someone @ riaa.. (Score:5, Funny) by surfi (1196953) on Saturday December 01, @12:31PM (#21544473) oh my god! they'r killing the recording industry! You BASTARDS! Idea is Comcastic (Score:5, Interesting) by troll -1 (956834) on Saturday December 01, @12:36PM (#21544525) So if Viamcom is going to put shows on the Internet then it would make sense for them to recommend BitTorrent as a distribution method, even though Viacom is also an ISP, the total bandwidth is the same whether downloaded directly from a Viacom site or using a torrent. But using a torrent is the least expensive and most efficient method for the distributor. OK, so assuming Viacom, as a content producer and an ISP, prefers BitTorrent, where does that put Comcast? I wonder if this will also encourage competition? A bold move, but not as bold as The Music Business (Score:5, Informative) by illectro (697914) on Saturday December 01, @12:52PM (#21544631) So MTV networks appear to get it, but if you're interested in the whole 'free content to beat p2p story' you need to look at imeem.com [imeem.com] and spiralfrog [spiralforg.com] - both are allowing users free access to music. now I can hear the imagined caveats now "It'll be low quality" - No - both sites deliver CD quality audio "It'll be some crappy indie bands that nobody has heard of" - No both sites have signed deals with most of the major labels - Sony, BMG, Warner, EMI and Universal - this is on top of all the indie labels who sign on "It'll be only a few free tracks - everythign else witll cost" - nope it's all free with a few exceptions (like the beatles) imeem even played host to the first legal Led Zeppelin video on the internet "It won't be on demand - you won't be able to control what you listen to" - nope it's entirely on demand, I think the only restriction I see is the slow downloads from spiralfrog that force you to watch advertising "It'll have tonnes of spyware/DRM/evil" - well no spyware as far as I can tell, imeem.com is streaming only and provides everything via a neat little flash player that works on any flash enabled browser. Spiralfrog however uses and active X control and windows DRM, so that's Windows/IE only OK so why is this a bolder move than this story? Well TV shows primary channel is still considered to be broadcast, a TV show has to make money on its TV run otherwise it's not considered viable. However, music revenue has primarily been generated through sales of the media, radio broadcast earns the record labels nothing, in fact it may be costing them to get this free advertising. In my mind the celestial jukebox that's offered by imeem is a hugely radical move by the record business, imeem has become the youtube for music that the tech bloggers keep talking about - except nobody in the tech blogging world has noticed it. It is funny in fact (Score:3, Interesting) by Ilgaz (86384) * on Sunday December 02, @02:14AM (#21549905) Homepage So, they insist on paying millions of dollars to hosting companies instead of using already established technology such as Bittorrent.They could even make money if they licensed the Vuze (Azureus) engine and put couple of animated gifs/flash while downloading with virtually zero cost to them.I am sure the hosts, even if they are Akamai will choke and people will end up hitting Pirate bay to download them. See that happened on Radiohead, people downloaded their paid content from P2P. Re:I wouldn't watch the shit even if I were paid (Score:5, Funny) by Alphager (957739) on Saturday December 01, @11:47AM (#21544197) Homepage Journal South Park is the worst fucking piece of shit out there. The only ones who watch it are the fucktarded sheeple who should be eliminated from the gene pool. Interestingly enough, that could have been a quote fromS outhpark. Parent Re:I wouldn't watch the shit even if I were paid (Score:5, Funny) by meringuoid (568297) on Saturday December 01, @12:06PM (#21544323) South Park is the worst fucking piece of shit out there. The only ones who watch it are the fucktarded sheeple who should be eliminated from the gene pool. You forgot to say 'Screw you guys, I'm going home'. Parent Re: (Score:2) by Dunbal (464142) wait, you forgot! [youtube.com] Re:I wouldn't watch the shit even if I were paid (Score:4, Funny) by AsnFkr (545033) on Saturday December 01, @02:08PM (#21545217) Homepage Journal South Park is the worst fucking piece of shit out there. The only ones who watch it are the fucktarded sheeple who should be eliminated from the gene pool. Oh, I see where you are confused. This conversation isn't about Family Guy. Parent Re: (Score:2, Funny) by couchslug (175151) "by releasing the complete "Golden Girls" archive."Fap, fap, fap... :) Re: (Score:2) by JamesTRexx (675890) How about if I just want to watch a video on my laptop while I'm travelling, or when I feel ill and stay in bed? Mighty good a tv card will do that I can't attach to my laptop or for which I have no cable connection available...And don't forget about all t Re:if it's not available off-line (Score:4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 01, @12:37PM (#21544529) > Added bonus, you get to also view every other streaming available, including NBC shows on their site, youtube and whatnot. *AND*, it saves some plastic trees :) I'm not the original AC, but I think you missed his point. He doesn't want to stream it, he wants to download it so that he can watch it offline, that is, without TCP/IP connectivity. Streamed video is not merely inelegantly wasteful of bandwidth (why re-download something just to watch it next week?), it's highly vulnerable to factors outside of your control, such as the performance of the network between your PC (or your friend's PC when you want to show him something). Worst of all - and this is the dealbreaker - it's entirely dependent on the whim of the content provider to keep hosting it. That's an implicit form of DRM: When MTV decides it's not making enough money, the content disappears forever, or worse -- when MTV decides that it doesn't want to risk being sued by the Cult of $cientology for Season 9, Episode 12 (The OT III story) or bombed for Season 10, Episode 4 ("Remember the time I got a salmon helmet from Mohammed while wearing a toga?"), the episodes get censored server-side, and you never get to know that the originals existed. Ever watch Warner Bros. cartoons on broadcast TV these days, as opposed to the remastered and uncensored originals being released on the annual 4-disc DVD collections? In the case of Looney Toons, I've "downloaded" (by containershipnet, trucknet, and sneakernet) that content, and I can archive that content to a RAID array should the DVDs eventually fall victim to scratches) and enjoy it forever. The "streamed video" equivalent was called "network TV", and it had been censored to the point of unwatchability as far back as the 1980s. Parent Get More Comments Search Television is now so desperately hungry for material that it is scraping the top of the barrel. -- Gore Vidal All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the Poster. 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